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Post by tonberry on Oct 19, 2009 18:01:23 GMT
Is it me, or am I the only one that thinks they've wiped Jonty's mind clean? I mean, Maltravers did say that if he didn't cooperate, then they would kill him, and so destroying a person's memories and personalities could be interpreted as a form of death? Yup, I'm watching Joss Whedon's Dollhouse atm. I’m not sure if they have totally wiped his Jonty’s mind clean. He would know nothing at all…but then again maybe they will reprogram him ^^ But I think maybe his recent memories were wiped, well it’s a possibility. I did check though the flashes, frame by frame to see what they were. Hmmm it’s nothing we haven’t seen before. But not sure what to make of them…they don’t make sense. If they are supposed to be from Jonty’s memories, then half of them weren’t. Where as if they were what he was seeing, as in reprogramming, it still doesn’t make sense as half were memories…confusing. Actually, while we're talking about Dorian's daddy issues I have one question. Do you think he has siblings? Because it's mentioned in Dorian's character bio that he's the eldest son of the Marquis of Ravensby, implying that there's a younger son in there somewhere. And also Dorian's comment this episode about his mother 'I'm her favourite' (*SQUISH*) which implies that there's more than just Dorian to choose from. Also, did anyone else like how Trinity is actually advocating NOT using drugs with Angus and Raj. Using humour to show the paranoia drug-use can cause. While I'm talking about random things THAT PAVILION I WANT IT NOW. PREFERABLY WITH DORIAN IN IT. IT'S BLOODY PRETTY AND HE SET THAT UP FOR HER I CANNOT BELIEVE IT *FLAILING* This is just what I think…I hope I’m getting my thoughts across correctly. But I would say yes he has siblings. It would make sense…he would explain partly why his father treats him as he does. Being the oldest he would be expected to eventually be the head of the family, be the one to inherit the most. He would be the one to represent the family. The expectation placed upon him must quite great. Also him being a mummy’s boy, suggests to me that his father would not have much play in his early childhood, maybe only when it came to punishment. Also I really picked up on Dorian calling his father by his first name, it seems that maybe he lost respect or he resents his father for something. I know my hubby has called his mum by her first name since he was 14, first it was due to resentment…now it’s just habit. Anyway that’s what I was think… I haven't actually introduced myself since I hate introduction posts so hello. I noticed that too - maybe his brother is his dad's favourite hence the 'daddy issues'? It sounds like he has a nice relationship with his mum. I'm hoping she'll be introduced sometime but I doubt it since there's only a couple of episodes left. It would be funny seeing Dorian act like a mummy's boy. Was it just me or did Maltravers seem worried about Charlotte at the end of the episode and in the previews? This was probably my favourite episode so far - lots of Jonty and Dorian angst! Plus, I actually felt really sorry for Rosalind which I never thought would happen. Hiya and welcome! Hmmm I’m not sure whether Maltravers was worried about Charlotte, maybe more worried why the mystery person is interested in her because she was sent by Avalon - As he is being kept out of the loop. Just a thought anyway ^^
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Post by SomniumPuella on Oct 19, 2009 18:54:24 GMT
Also him being a mummy’s boy, suggests to me that his father would not have much play in his early childhood, maybe only when it came to punishment. Or that it was his mother he recieved comfort from. Although I have my own personal little theory which comes from a deleted line in Ep 1 (Rosalind: 'And Aunty B' Dorian: 'On a beach in Beunos Aires, fucking the head footman') which implies that neither his mother or his father are faithful to each other. My thought was that Dorian's father isn't entirely sure whether Dorian is his. Which is both an insult to his own masculinity (men aren't half touchy about that) and something which maybe gets under his skin. So Dorian comes off worst. Also I really picked up on Dorian calling his father by his first name, When did that happen? I've only heard Dorian call his father 'Father' (I swear I've heard that), 'Pater' (Latin for father) and 'Daddy'.
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Post by ♠ Christabel ♠ on Oct 19, 2009 18:59:57 GMT
Is it me, or am I the only one that thinks they've wiped Jonty's mind clean? I mean, Maltravers did say that if he didn't cooperate, then they would kill him, and so destroying a person's memories and personalities could be interpreted as a form of death? Yup, I'm watching Joss Whedon's Dollhouse atm. I’m not sure if they have totally wiped his Jonty’s mind clean. He would know nothing at all…but then again maybe they will reprogram him ^^ But I think maybe his recent memories were wiped, well it’s a possibility. I did check though the flashes, frame by frame to see what they were. Hmmm it’s nothing we haven’t seen before. But not sure what to make of them…they don’t make sense. If they are supposed to be from Jonty’s memories, then half of them weren’t. Where as if they were what he was seeing, as in reprogramming, it still doesn’t make sense as half were memories…confusing. This is just what I think…I hope I’m getting my thoughts across correctly. But I would say yes he has siblings. It would make sense…he would explain partly why his father treats him as he does. Being the oldest he would be expected to eventually be the head of the family, be the one to inherit the most. He would be the one to represent the family. The expectation placed upon him must quite great. Also him being a mummy’s boy, suggests to me that his father would not have much play in his early childhood, maybe only when it came to punishment. Also I really picked up on Dorian calling his father by his first name, it seems that maybe he lost respect or he resents his father for something. I know my hubby has called his mum by her first name since he was 14, first it was due to resentment…now it’s just habit. Anyway that’s what I was think… I haven't actually introduced myself since I hate introduction posts so hello. I noticed that too - maybe his brother is his dad's favourite hence the 'daddy issues'? It sounds like he has a nice relationship with his mum. I'm hoping she'll be introduced sometime but I doubt it since there's only a couple of episodes left. It would be funny seeing Dorian act like a mummy's boy. Was it just me or did Maltravers seem worried about Charlotte at the end of the episode and in the previews? This was probably my favourite episode so far - lots of Jonty and Dorian angst! Plus, I actually felt really sorry for Rosalind which I never thought would happen. Hiya and welcome! Hmmm I’m not sure whether Maltravers was worried about Charlotte, maybe more worried why the mystery person is interested in her because she was sent by Avalon - As he is being kept out of the loop. Just a thought anyway ^^ Ok, yeah, I think they might have wiped Jonty's mind. But, I think it's more likely that they're brainwashing him. I think it's what they did with Ross as well. How he was saying 'you don't know what they're doing to me.' Maybe some kind of brainwash through mental torture. @ Dorian's daddy issues: Yeah, he definitely has siblings. Everything points towards it. I didn't realise he called his dad by his first name. Gotta rewatch again. Oh and does anyone love how otherwise he always says stuff like 'daddy was here'. I swear, somewhere beneath the posh,arrogant facade, there's still that little boy wanting so much for his dad to love him. I reckon there's a younger sibling somewhere who can't ever do wrong by their dad and is totally perfect which makes Dorian look so much worse to his dad.
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Post by SomniumPuella on Oct 19, 2009 19:14:05 GMT
I reckon there's a younger sibling somewhere who can't ever do wrong by their dad and is totally perfect which makes Dorian look so much worse to his dad. I was definately thinking little sister. Because if you have a mummy's boy then you pretty much have to have a daddy's girl. And possibly a smarmy little brother Dorian and little sister can gang up on.
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Post by ♠ Christabel ♠ on Oct 19, 2009 19:21:53 GMT
I reckon there's a younger sibling somewhere who can't ever do wrong by their dad and is totally perfect which makes Dorian look so much worse to his dad. I was definately thinking little sister. Because if you have a mummy's boy then you pretty much have to have a daddy's girl. And possibly a smarmy little brother Dorian and little sister can gang up on. Yeah, maybe. There's probably another boy somewhere and yeah, a little sister. Though I think it would work with a younger brother as well. There'd possibly be more rivalry there, in that case. In any case, it makes me feel really sorry for Dorian. *hugs him* I could also really see him still loving his little siblings to bits, despite the crap he has to take from his dad. Because really, Dorian's a good guy. *squish-hugs*
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Post by tonberry on Oct 19, 2009 19:41:10 GMT
Quote - SomniumPuella When did that happen? I've only heard Dorian call his father 'Father' (I swear I've heard that), 'Pater' (Latin for father) and 'Daddy'.
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Now listening to it again...what I thought sounded like Peter...was what you referred to as Pater. Sorry I don't know any latin, and at the time as I just said sounded like Peter to me. Talk about getting the wrong end of the stick. Now I feel really stupid.
I think there could possibly be a younger sister. There was this other thought that crossed my mind about a sister, but I think it's way way out there. So I'm not gonna mention it, as it will sound silly.
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Post by ♠ Christabel ♠ on Oct 19, 2009 19:47:32 GMT
Quote - SomniumPuella When did that happen? I've only heard Dorian call his father 'Father' (I swear I've heard that), 'Pater' (Latin for father) and 'Daddy'. ---- Now listening to it again...what I thought sounded like Peter...was what you referred to as Pater. Sorry I don't know any latin, and at the time as I just said sounded like Peter to me. Talk about getting the wrong end of the stick. Now I feel really stupid. I think there could possibly be a younger sister. There was this other thought that crossed my mind about a sister, but I think it's way way out there. So I'm not gonna mention it, as it will sound silly. Oh, come oooon. Now you gotta tell us. There's no problem with it being way out there. Hell, half the stuff I have going through my mind about Dorian would only come from a fangirl. lol
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Post by tonberry on Oct 19, 2009 20:00:17 GMT
Ok really seriously way out there, and a bit of a stretch.
But...I thought Dorian's father seemed soft on Rosalind, affectionate in a way. And him moaning about his wife. Then I was thinking about when Rosalind was talking about her parents shagging that guy at the same time. Anyway it just made me think, maybe Dorian's father and Rosalind mum had an affair. So maybe Rosalind is Dorian's half-sister, or that Dorian's father might think she is his. Obviously without Dorian or Rosalind knowing.
Ok that was it...a bit far-fetched. But it crossed my mind ^^
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Post by SomniumPuella on Oct 19, 2009 20:12:16 GMT
Now listening to it again...what I thought sounded like Peter...was what you referred to as Pater. Sorry I don't know any latin, and at the time as I just said sounded like Peter to me. Talk about getting the wrong end of the stick. Now I feel really stupid. I walk into doors. Wooden doors. Believe me, you don't rate on my 'Scale of Stupidity'. I'm just an absolute geek when it comes to things like Latin. So I got very excited about the whole 'Pater' thing (and I had to explain to a couple of friends what it meant) The thought of Dorian and Rosalind as half-siblings (or possible half-siblings) is slightly squicky but whatever. The thing I can't work out is that circa Ep 1 Rosalind's own father is alive (Dorian asks how is 'Uncle Harry') but Dorian's father seems to be marrying her off (anybody catch the name of her fiancee?). I cannot figure this out. Also, I'm trying to figure out if Dorian would be in line for a Dukedom. Because Marquis (or Marquess) is usually a courtesy title given to the eldest son of a Duke (though if the Duke doesn't also hold a Marquis title then his eldest son is then an Earl), there are very very few non-courtesy titled Marquis left. Earl is the courtesy title given to the eldest son of a Marquis. Meh, maybe Dorian's grandfather is a Duke. And if Dorian's grandfather is a Duke and likes Dorian more than a younger son then Dorian's father can't disinherit Dorian. I think too much.
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